Not to downplay the trash talk on the 15-45, but if you get a good copy, you get a good copy. If you don't, contact Canon support and they'll get you another copy. They won't even blink and just exchange it (assuming you're not buying grey market obviously) Pros (of the 18-150): No lens swaps. If you're doing events, this is handy. However keep in mind the pedestrian 3.5-6.3 aperture making it less than ideal for low-light/indoors vs say the 22/2 or 32/1.4. Has stronger IQ than the aforementioned 15-45, even a good copy of the 15-45 can't match an average copy of the 18-150 The quality (not quantity) of the bokeh is good. Has stronger IS than either the 15-45 or 55-200. Important if you're doing video. Faster AF than either the 15-45 or 55-200, once again, video or events this is important (not so much sports, no offense, as 150mm is a bit limiting, getting their) Occupies less space in the bag/weight than the combination of the 15-45/55-200. Cons (of the 18-150): 18mm on the wide end is particular limiting. If you plan to use just this lens only, for this reason alone I might steer you to the 15-45 / 55-200 combo. If you plan to pickup a 11-22 on the other hand, nevermind this con. 150mm reach is somewhat limiting; I've found my best work is either wide, long, shallow or close IE an extreme of some form. 200mm is more interesting than 150mm, but you have to swap lenses to get it. Cost (obviously) 55-200 produces better bokeh for portraits Summary (my 2 cents): If you plan to pickup another lens (say 22/2 or 11-22) and the primary use of your M is travel, go 18-150. If however you primary use of the M is just the 18-150, no offense, perhaps there are better point and shoot options as with just one lens, a slow do-it-all lens (albeit the best superzoom I've ever owned), it's essentially an overgrown point and shoot. A G3X by comparison goes wider and longer and is smaller. The AF and RAW performance of the G3X however is limiting, this is where the M50 with either the 55-200 or 18-150 will outperform the G3X for say sports, BIF, etc and then you can mount the 15-45 or keep the 18-150 for general shooting. I'll go one step further and point out that Canon makes 2 travel and portrait lens combo kits for the APS-C and FF systems which contain the EF-S 10-18 and EF 50mm f/1.8 STM and EF 17-40L and 50mm f/1.4 USM respectively. The EF-M equivalents are the renowned 11-22 and 32/1.4. That's really where ILCs shine. I only get to pick 3 DLO lens profiles to load up in my M50, they are the 32/1.4, 11-22 and 55-200 If I could load 4? 28 Macro. Just my 2 cents. Don't get me wrong, the 18-150 will be well loved by many a soccer mom or newcomer to ILCs, but IMO, Canon's got it right, wide and shallow = interesting travel shots. I know that's not what you were thinking IE 11-22 + 32/1.4 but it is what it is. I think Canon should make a 2-lens travel kit for the M with them so you and everyone else new to the M system can get a discount. You've got options. However at the end of the day if you're thinking just the M50 + 18-150, unless it's for AF purposes which the M50 with 18-150 has better AF than any point and shoot, I'd be thinking G5X or G7X series, LX10/100, G3X, G1X (II or III) series, or RX10/100 series. The M system really starts to shine when you pair it with one of the non-stock lenses like the 22/2, 11-22, 32/1.4, or 28 macro or say mount a 50mm f/1.8 STM adapted. I personally ended up regretting selling my 18-55 (discontinued) and 55-200 previously for the 18-150 btw. When I sold off my whole M system a year ago (and rebought it recently, ironically) I didn't repeat the mistake. I've VERY happy with the 55-200 and 11-22 (note I didn't say 15-45, it's about those extremes again when it comes to ILC). I was happier with the G1X III (than the M5 + 18-150) which I still have and held me through this past year till I rebought the M system ironically. Once again, just my 2 cents. Your mileage may vary. 15-45mm + 55-200m Or 18-150mm for m50 mark ii May 14, 2022 Hi, I have 2 options: 1. 15-45mm + 55-200m 2. 18-150mm I want to photograph landscapes, people, cars, and planes. what should I get? or maybe should I buy a different camera (250D/850D) ANSWER: This question has not been answered yet. nnowak • Veteran Member • Posts: 9,280 Re: 15-45mm + 55-200m Or 18-150mm for m50 mark ii 13 yonatan5522 wrote: Definitely the 18-150mm kit. If you need a wider view for things like landscapes, the EF-M 11-22mm is a much better lens than the 15-45mm. For telephoto reach, the adapted EF-S 55-250mm STM is optically better than the EF-M 55-200mm while also providing more reach.  Maxmolly7 • Senior Member • Posts: 2,015 Re: 15-45mm + 55-200m Or 18-150mm for m50 mark ii yonatan5522 wrote: Due to sample variation of the 15-45 lens, the 18-150 will likely produce better IQ. The 55-200mm is said to be medocre, the EF-S 55-250MM STM IS needs the m-adapter but is light and sharp at all settings, even wide open. For planes you may need focal length > 300mm. -- hide signature -- May THE LIGHT be with you! Sony RX10 IV Sony Cyber-shot DSC-HX99 Sony RX100 VII Canon EOS M100 Canon EOS M6 II +17 more Re: 15-45mm + 55-200m Or 18-150mm for m50 mark ii 3 yonatan5522 wrote: 15-45mm + 55-200m no doubt ! (for your use cases) 15-45mm is much better in the 15-18mm range and 55-200 is much better in the 150-200mm range. Seriously; 15mm is important for landscapes. And 200mm is important for planes. The 18-150 is also a very good lens, but is a bit large and heavy (IMO) for a walkaround lens and it starts a bit narrow. The 15-45 is very small and light and very good stopped down a little. They both have copy variations, so check the lens when you receive it. The 55-200mm is a very good lens. It slightly beats the larger EFs 55-250 STM in image quality. It is obviously missing the 200-250 range, but is much more compact and much lighter and does not need an adapter. EF-M 55-200mm @200mm (Cropped a little ) There is a good review of the 55-200mm by Dustin Abbott here. He also compares it to the Efs 55-250 STM. Here is what he says about the pros for each lens when he compares them: EF-M 55-200mm STM
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Canon EOS M6 II Canon EOS M200 Canon EOS R6 Mark II Canon EOS R8 Canon EF-M 22mm f/2 STM +10 more Attila75 • New Member • Posts: 23 Re: 15-45mm + 55-200m Or 18-150mm for m50 mark ii 1 Did you check Tamron 18-200mm iii eos m? Canon EOS M50 II Canon EF 85mm F1.8 USM Canon EF-M 22mm f/2 STM Canon EF-M 11-22mm f/4-5.6 IS STM Canon EF-M 18-150mm F3.5-6.3 IS STM +1 more Re: 15-45mm + 55-200m Or 18-150mm for m50 mark ii In reply to Attila75 • May 14, 2022 Attila75 wrote: Did you check Tamron 18-200mm iii eos m? I think he is trying to decide what m50 II kit to buy. An that’s why he has got only two options. Canon EOS M6 II Canon EOS M200 Canon EOS R6 Mark II Canon EOS R8 Canon EF-M 22mm f/2 STM +10 more Maxmolly7 • Senior Member • Posts: 2,015 Re: 15-45mm + 55-200m Or 18-150mm for m50 mark ii In reply to Attila75 • May 14, 2022 Attila75 wrote: Did you check Tamron 18-200mm iii eos m? I had the Tamron and compared it side by side to Canon 18-150mm. The latter has better IQ at all focal lengths and is smaller and lighter. IS and AF seems more efficient, too that's why I sold the Tamron after 4 happy years of usage. -- hide signature -- May THE LIGHT be with you! Sony RX10 IV Sony Cyber-shot DSC-HX99 Sony RX100 VII Canon EOS M100 Canon EOS M6 II +17 more Fjzk • Regular Member • Posts: 371 Re: 15-45mm + 55-200m Or 18-150mm for m50 mark ii 2 If you don’t mind a bulkier combo the 70-300 USM II will give you 480mm reach in the M50 and (an important consideration right now) can also be used in any future R cameras you may buy (crop or FF). I have it and use in both my M50 and the RP with great results. In that option you could buy the kit with the 15-45 only and add a longer reach telephoto separately. Nikon D3000 Nikon D7100 Canon EOS M50 Canon EOS RP Canon EOS M6 II +12 more Re: 15-45mm + 55-200m Or 18-150mm for m50 mark ii 1 yonatan5522 wrote: You've already gotten lots of good advice in previous responses. Everyone has their own shooting style and way of using lenses. Either set can work for you, both have different advantages. I have to agree with those who say getting a good copy of the kit 15-45mm lens is a crap shoot. There are a few good copies out there, but most seem to be sharp in the center and noticeably blurry or slightly 'smeared' in the corners even at f5.6 or f8 which would be noticeable in landscape shots. I've had 3 middle-of-the-road copies of the lens that were like that, and my most recent fourth copy had a soft left edge, I sent it back for replacement under warranty service and should get the new one this coming week. if you manage to get a very good copy, the 55-200 is apparently quite a good lens and does not seem to suffer copy variation. Consensus seems to be the optical quality is not very different from the EF-S 55-250mm, with each lens having some advantage (small size and weight for the EF-M vs. longer reach and slightly wider aperture for the EF-S). For me, given the choice of 15-45 + 55-200 vs 18-150, I'd choose the 18-150 in a heartbeat. It's a great walkaround lens, is quite sharp for landscapes all around at 18mm by f5, and having such a large range you don't end up swapping lenses often. When I'd shoot with the 15-45mm and EF-S 55-250mm with one body, I ended up changing lenses very frequently to shoot various subjects, and it became quite annoying with a lot of lost shots. As others have mentioned, the EF-M 11-22mm is a fantastic quality wide-angle zoom for the price and is the best Canon EF-M landscape lens. It's very sharp at all focal lengths and apertures. If you're on a tight budget and want a great wide-angle landscape lens, and don't mind manual focus, the Rokinon 12mm f2 is even sharper than the Canon EF-M 11-22mm with great color rendition, and is sharp even at f2. being such a fast lens it also makes a great indoor, night photography, and astro lens. It has become one of my favorite EF-M lenses. Focusing isn't much of an issue, I've found for most outdoor shots I can just set it at a parfocal distance on the lens and just forget about focusing. You can find it used under $200. I agree with others that even 250mm is going to be short for airplanes. I've modified an EF-S 55-250mm IS STM lens to work on EF (instead of only EF-S) teleconverters, and use it with good 1.5x and 2x teleconverters to give it the kind of reach you need for shooting planes and birds in flight. To go out and shoot the subjects you mention for the 'cheapest' set of lenses from my collection, I'd bring the Rokinon 12mm f2, Canon EF-M 18-150mm, and EF-S 55-250mm with 1.5 TC (making it an (88-375mm f5.6-f8 lens). Canon EOS M6 II Canon EOS M200 Canon EOS R7 Canon EF-M 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM Canon EF-M 22mm f/2 STM +25 more KoolKool • Regular Member • Posts: 280 Re: 15-45mm + 55-200m Or 18-150mm for m50 mark ii 11-22 and 55-200, i personally recommend this pair. and don't worry, changing lenses is actually just wasted of your lifetime 3-4 seconds if you are skilled enough. 18-150 is okay, but sometime i wish the wide end and be...wider, 15 or 16 is better. palombian • Contributing Member • Posts: 651 Re: 15-45mm + 55-200m Or 18-150mm for m50 mark ii 1 Maxmolly7 wrote:yonatan5522 wrote: My 55-200 was really good. Unfortunately I lost it in the field (these things are so small). But switching lenses is not for these kind of cameras, so if (and if ?) I would continue with M I would choose the 18-150 (BTW the 11-22 is very good). Canon EOS 7D Canon EOS M6 Canon EOS M100 Canon EOS M6 II Canon EOS R5 +26 more YehudaKatz • Senior Member • Posts: 2,545 Without any question I would take the 18-150. No text. Canon EOS 6D Canon EOS M50 Canon EF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM Canon EF-M 22mm f/2 STM Alexis • Senior Member • Posts: 2,021 Re: 15-45mm + 55-200m Or 18-150mm for m50 mark ii 2 1. 15-45mm + 55-200m My experience with both these 2 lenses has been very positive and I have loads of examples to share if you need to see the capabilities of these lenses using both the M50 and M50 Mkii Having said that, some people are reporting variation in quality between copies of these lenses so maybe I was just lucky - the 18-150 is not wide enough or long enough for me and the EF-S 55-250 is too heavy and bulky and you need an adaptor to use it. What is the point in investing in the lighter, smaller EF-M format is you're going to be using EF-S glass. Just my €2 worth! Canon EOS 50D Canon EOS M50 II GoPro Hero9 Black Sigma 17-50mm F2.8 EX DC OS HSM Canon EF-M 11-22mm f/4-5.6 IS STM +12 more Re: 15-45mm + 55-200m Or 18-150mm for m50 mark ii I would do the 18-150 option simply because it is highly regarded, and most copies of the 15-45 are not worth buying intentionally. Sony DSC-RX0 Nikon Z6 Nikon Z 24-70mm F4 Nikon Z 35mm F1.8 Re: 15-45mm + 55-200m Or 18-150mm for m50 mark ii dan the man p wrote: I would do the 18-150 option simply because it is highly regarded, and most copies of the 15-45 are not worth buying intentionally. Agree. I just got my 5th copy of the kit EF-M 15-45mm IS STM. Finally on the 5th copy I have one that is about as sharp as the EF-M 18-150 IS STM I have. It's a crap shoot. Here is a post with some samples: Canon EOS M6 II Canon EOS M200 Canon EOS R7 Canon EF-M 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM Canon EF-M 22mm f/2 STM +25 more Lost99999 • Regular Member • Posts: 337 Before the end of May Canon will announce new cameras You might want to wait for that ! Rumors also mention new lenses in exactly your area of consideration. ( personally i find 15-45 on APSC a no go : it not wide enough for landscapes or many indoor pictures, and 45 is a very poor zoom for sport, catching a detail, etc ) Canon EOS RP Canon EF 200mm f/2.8L II USM Canon RF 24-105mm F4L IS USM Canon RF 50mm F1.8 STM Canon RF 16mm F2.8 STM Re: 15-45mm + 55-200m Or 18-150mm for m50 mark ii 1 Larry Rexley wrote:yonatan5522 wrote: Since writing my original answer (above) I've been fortunate enough to get a decent copy of the kit EF-M 15-45mm lens (fifth time's a charm) and also I have for the first time gotten the EF-M 55-200 IS STM lens. My latest copy of the EF-M 15-45 lens is just as sharp as the copy of the EF-M 18-150 lens in the relevant range. Here's a post with some sample images: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66199406 My testing of the EF-M 55-200 lens shows that it is quite a bit better optically than the EF-M 18-150 lens in the telephoto range, in fact it appears to be optically even slightly superior to the EF-S 55-250mm IS STM lens (although not by much). Here's my post on that with some sample images: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66243584 So if I were to answer the OP's original question again now, I'd say that it's a tough choice. The 18-150mm is a great walkaround lens and can cover most subjects... but If you don't mind changing lenses, can get a good copy of the EF-M 15-45 kit lens, and shoot with it and the EF-M 55-200 - you're going to have a greater range both at the wide end and tele end, and are going to get better images at the telephoto end, and probably at least as good images at the wide end. If you don't get 'wider' lens like the EF-M 11-22 IS STM, that 'extra' wide angle of the 15mm lens is very useful. |
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